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Poster: k-otic Date: Feb 6, 2007 3:58am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

it is true that "Triumph of the will" shows events of historical importance but its still nazi propaganda
On the other hand I only own a copy without subtitles and i`m not sure if the movie is in the public domain

i also own these early films by Leni Riefenstahl made for the nazi party

Sieg des Glaubens (1933) - A film about the NSDAP's 5th Reich Party Congress

Tag der Freiheit!- Unsere Wehrmacht! (1935) - Documentary film about the Wehrmacht's manoeuvre during the NSDAP's 7th Reich Party Congress

OLYMPIA (1938)
Part 1: FEST DER VÖLKER
Part 2: FEST DER SCHÖNHEIT

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Poster: jonc Date: Feb 6, 2007 8:51am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

I believe "Triumph of the will" is PD. Wouldn't know how to verify German titles though. For what it's worth, Wikipedia shows it on their list. Not 100% reliable though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Public_domain_films&from=Sanshiro+Sugata

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Poster: LordOfTheExacto Date: Feb 6, 2007 11:15am
Forum: feature_films Subject: Re: Vampyr and Triumph of the Will

K-otic, I don't mean to be pushy. I'm not German, so I may be completely off-base here.

For my part, I think that the Nazi propaganda is unlikely to fuel any actual fascism today. The Third Reich has been equated wth evil for several generations now, and outside of a few misfits, nobody seems likely to change their minds about that.

The historical value of "Triumph of the Will" strikes me as twofold. First, it's instructive to see the methods by which Nazism was sold to a populace that, by and large, was comprised of people who were decent, hardworking and kind to their neighbors, Jewish or Gentile. Most of the people who were originally inspired by "Triumph of the Will" are dead now, and the survivors are acutely aware of the harm that was done.

Second, it reminds us that the German people actually WERE people, not merely the faceless villains of war movies. Most Germans weren't members of the Nazi party, and to them, the rise of Hitler initially meant merely prosperity and national strength. Those are things people in any country want. The terrible things that accompanied them in Germany were not what the average German bargained for.

"Triumph of the Will" seems to have been more an appeal to patriotism than an incitement to hatred. Patriotism is not in and of itself a bad thing, and to a nation impoverished and humiliated, it must have been like water in the desert. That popular patriotism was them manipulated to accomplish evil ends.

However, as I say, I'm not German, and I don't have k-otic's sensitivity on the subject. It also occurs to me that in Germany there might be legal issues with posting old propaganda films. Would it come under the same laws that prohibit displaying swastikas and such? I wouldn't want to see k-otic get into trouble for it.

I'd be interested in seeing it (and I think can follow it without the subtitles), but I wouldn't want to burden your conscience if you don't feel right sharing it.